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Look for a US military base sometime in the future. Once this country's claws are in, you can't take them out. <BR/><BR/>-Marshall LentiniAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17069420.post-91302846771824929232007-03-14T18:50:00.000-07:002007-03-14T18:50:00.000-07:00no really, what do you mean? your comment seems to...no really, what do you mean? your comment seems to be coming out to defend "little uruguay"...but then you call it politically aloof? maybe it's obvious to everyone else but me that you aren't literally meaning aloof, but something else? ;)<BR/><BR/>how long have you lived in uruguay?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17069420.post-33808952133133419122007-03-14T15:24:00.000-07:002007-03-14T15:24:00.000-07:00"Uruguay that is not only a small country but for ..."Uruguay that is not only a small country but for the most part politically aloof"<BR/><BR/>how very kind of you to point out liz.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17069420.post-53217485460392503882007-03-12T00:51:00.000-07:002007-03-12T00:51:00.000-07:00Dear JennyIn a country like the United States with...Dear Jenny<BR/>In a country like the United States with its vast territory and resources a foreign presidential visit might even pass unnoticed. Obviously this is not the case in Uruguay that is not only a small country but for the most part politically aloof. Though it’s obvious that Gabo did not mean a literal invasion of Uruguayan territory you must admit that it must feel like one when you take into consideration all the resources and personnel utilized for this visit.Lizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18264815114461872815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17069420.post-82745931898301870262007-03-10T20:29:00.000-08:002007-03-10T20:29:00.000-08:00yeah, he had asado, and a specially prepared lamb....yeah, he had asado, and a specially prepared lamb. Word is they were even going to fish together with president Vazquez, since they both like the sport. I don't know if they finally did it.<BR/><BR/>Regarding the press conference held by both they didn't mention an fta specifically. They talked about commerce, software, migration, and mentioned the pulp mills issue with argentina.gabouyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12475710882220245501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17069420.post-66394601343254351742007-03-10T19:40:00.000-08:002007-03-10T19:40:00.000-08:00amanda, of course they do. but wait - by american...amanda, of course they do. but wait - by americans, you mean north or south americans? and if you mean north americans, that include canadians too? hehe.<BR/><BR/>gabo, i heard bush had asado while he was in mvd. i think he might want to stay after a taste of it! i also heard he had a lamb from a princesses ranch specially prepared for him. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17069420.post-2351402465870556802007-03-09T17:16:00.000-08:002007-03-09T17:16:00.000-08:00hay olor a azufre!thegreenvoid.blogspot.comhay olor a azufre!<BR/><BR/>thegreenvoid.blogspot.comCarloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09647368605144422899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17069420.post-73753740837691411232007-03-09T17:13:00.000-08:002007-03-09T17:13:00.000-08:00not all americans share Jenny's view.not all americans share Jenny's view.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17069420.post-38066777087769774202007-03-09T14:06:00.000-08:002007-03-09T14:06:00.000-08:00yup, I've heard the same thing.chuck comments on i...yup, I've heard the same thing.<A HREF="http://chuckstull.blogspot.com/2007/03/bush-visits-uruguay.html" REL="nofollow">chuck comments on it</A>. 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(obviously we can agree to disagree right away about whether the war was unfounded or not. you think big airplanes simply flying near the airport by your house is scary...what about them crashing into your world trade centers?) <BR/><BR/>my north american mindset is very compassionate about human rights, and the results in the past dictatorships are incredibly tragic to me. i have friends in uruguay that i have talked about this with and they say that well yes, it was tragic, but there are two sides to the story. you had horrible things happening with the tupamaros committing murders from the other side. it takes two to tango, if you ask me, they were both wrong and committed horrible acts, but one was *far* more out of control in the end - the military. i wish that none of it had ever happened. <BR/><BR/>with bush coming, i think the bottom line is that south america has had a love hate relationship with the united states ever since it was born. 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